Friday, May 14, 2010

* Hunters How can Property Owners Post Their Land Against Hunting Wildlife When Nobody Owns Wildlife Anyway?

If the Wildlife is not Legally Owned by Anyone How can you be Prevented from Hunting it because someone puts up Signs saying you Cannot Hunt Wildlife if they have No Legal Authority or Grounds to Claim the Wildlife on Their Property?* Just because the Wildlife is on Their Property doesn't mean they can Prevent it from being Hunted if They Don't Own it in the First Place.* I didn't think Anyone Owned the Wildlife.** Hunters How can Property Owners Post Their Land Against Hunting Wildlife When Nobody Owns Wildlife Anyway?
They do own the land. If they don't want you hunting on their land, they do not have to let you on their property. If you do go on their property you can be arrested for trespassing.





The land owner does not own the animals. If the animals go off of their property, you may hunt them, but not on somebody else's property.* Hunters How can Property Owners Post Their Land Against Hunting Wildlife When Nobody Owns Wildlife Anyway?
Let's say I want to go hunting squirrels. I think I want to do this in your yard and will be reasonable. A .410 is more than enough weapon for them. So what if you were trying to sleep and had no idea I was there until the gun went off under your window?





Neither you nor the landowner own the wildlife you want to hunt, but he does own the land it is on acquires given certain rights with ownership. If you do not have his permission to be on his property, you are trespassing. If you happen to be carrying a weapon at the time, you are committing armed trespass. The landowner can not stop you from hunting. He does have the right to keep you from hunting on land he controls. Renters and lessors also acquire some of these same rights.
Simple. Trespassing on private property for whatever reason is illegal. If the landowner does not allow access, for whatever reason, no one has the right to trespass.





It is perfectly legal to post your property and while not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, the right to protect one's property against trespass has roots in English Civil Law, Common Law, and US Case Law. Also, the Tenth Amendment grants powers to the states to make laws not reserved to Congress. Thus the states can make whatever laws they choose to in regards to private property.
They don't have signs saying ';you may not hunt animals that have previously stepped on this property'; they ahve signs that say ';no trepassing or hunting' meaning don't come on my property an hunt. Simple as that. It has to do with the trespassing if you own the property next to theres you can be .432424234234 inches from there property line and shoot a deer that just stepped over the property line. As long as you or the animal are not on there property your all good.











screw PETA they are dumb
They can't prevent you from hunting the wildlife that lives on or crosses their land so long as you do not trespass on their land to harvest it. If that same game is found on your land or on land upon which you have permission to hunt, it is yours for the taking, within the law, of course. What the land owner has the right to do as the owner of the land is to grant or deny you access to his land. The wildlife belongs to the citizens of the state but the land and all the rights pertaining to it belong to the land owner.
Because I own the land and I own guns that I will use to keep trespassers off of my land. Since you are not supposed to be on my land to start with, you have no way of knowing whether an animal you are hunting is on my land or not and I won't let you come here to find out.


Seems you have a lot in common with your socialist Lord Obama. By asking this question you are telling us you have no respect for the property of others or for the people themselves.


Just remember that some of us property owners hunt on our land and might be sitting there in full camo when you decide to trespass. You won't see me until it's too late to run away, and then the judge will tell you about my property rights.
You need to get a lawyer to explain this to you.





Paying taxes and holding a deed gives you the right to control access to the land. Hunting rights goes along with land ownership.





Dave





PS one more thing I just thought of. Been at work tonight wandering if your question is bs trolling or if you are legit. I thought of a good way to say this so maybe you could understand where the land owner is comeing from. A meteor fly'n through the night sky is not mine or yours. So, by your logic next time there is a big meteor shower and a bunch of folks think your roof top would be a good place to watch it, they could just camp on your roof all night. Hope this helps you understand that hunting on private land is a privilage and not a right. Hunting on private land with out permision is trespassing and is illegal.
Can you work the word 'wildlife' in one more time?


By restricting or preventing hunting on my property I am not stopping you from shooting the animals. I am keeping you off my property. As soon as the animals leave my land you can shoot them to your hearts content as long as you get permission from the guy whose land they are then on. Since I DO own the land I get to make decisions about what goes on there. Maybe I want to hunt there and not have you spooking the game. Maybe I don't want to have to dodge your bullets. Maybe I don't want to have to worry about you getting injured on my land or injuring someone else there.


To follow your logic, nobody owns the air we breathe so I should be able to walk into your house any time I want and breathe the air in there. Just because the air is in your home doesn't mean you can prevent me from breathing it. You don't own that air.
gsi joe is completely correct on this. The land is what the owner has control of, not necessarily the critters! Some states have specific laws on their books that regulate this. In the state of arkansas, if you are caught hunting on another persons property without permission, the owner can legally shoot you for trespassing. Be careful and good luck!
No body owns the wild life you are right but the people who put up the no hunting signs want to protect their property not the wild life.. Most dont hunt either.. There are times that I have found out if you go and ask permission to hunt, the will give you permission to hunt... Happy Easter
Its not about owning the wildlife. Its about landowners being able to say you can't hunt on land they own. In effect they're saying if you're on my land you're trespassing and I can and will have you arrested regardless of why you're on my land.
because its there property and they do in fact have the legal right to not let you onto their property. whether it be to hunt or not to hunt.





personally if someone asks permission i'd let them hunt. but i wouldn't want someone just waltzing on like they own the place.
But they do own the land and, as the land owner, they can say what does and does not take place on their land, and who can and cannot come onto their land.





A responsible hunter knows this and respects all ';keep off'; signs.


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private property





Definition


Tangible and intangible things owned by individuals or firms over which their owners have exclusive and absolute legal rights, such as land, buildings, money, copyrights, patents, etc. Private property can be transferred only with its owner's consent, and by due process such as sale or gift...
It's not about the wildlife. It's about controlling access to the property. Land owners have the right to do that.





I hope, for your sake, you're not asking this because of some impending legal problem.
Maybe not, but if the landowner won't allow you to trespass or to shoot on his property, your point is pretty well moot, isn't it? Both trespassing and especially shooting are well within his rights to control.
well they dont own the wildlife. but they do own the land. so if the animals move to another part where there you can hunt them then their fair game. they just have the land thats all.
It's trespassing. You can't come onto their land. They can tell you that.
Sorry, but that is an idiototic question. sell your computer and buy some common sense with the $$$
we all own the critters
You should ask this in law and ethics. It's more of a legal question.
Some good answers here that pretty much cover why land owners have the right to keep folks off their property.





And now for some true stories here too...





My extended family (aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, cousins) probably own about 1,500 acres in total of decent hunting land. We/they always let people hunt on the property, because we figured that if we were not using it...perhaps someone else could get some enjoyment from it. BUT, times of changed....





My uncle saw some archery hunters on his farm one day. Never gave it a second thought. That same evening, he saw some lights in a back field of his. Just as a precaution, he called the police to see what was going-on. It turns-out that those same guys that were archery hunting were trying to strip/steal the parts off of a bulldozer that he had parked there. They had it in about a hundred pieces, with anything they could carry, loaded in the back of their pickup truck. The following week, my uncle posted NO HUNTING signs all over his farm.





On a piece of property I own with my siblings, things simply got out of control. First, the county raised the assesment of the property by 200%; meaning, we are now paying 3 times as much in property taxes for a tract of land that is only trees and brush. ATV riders have making trails over parts of the land. Once they make a trail, the rain comes and washes the top soil away, creating ruts...which makes ATVing harder...so they make new trails...until the land is criss-crossed with rutted trails that are void of topsoil and any sort of plant growth.





My one cousin got it right. He says that the only time that people seem to know him is when hunting season comes along and they want to hunt on his land. He too has been hit with higher tax assesments on his two farms.





Ironically, I also hunt on private property that is owned by some individuals. BUT, here's the thing. Every year, regardless if I hunt on their land or not, I always send them a small gift as a token of my appreciation for allowing me to use their land. In fact, I have not hunted that property for 9 years now, but I still mail them a $20 box of candy or some other reasonable gift to keep in good terms. And, two years ago I got a letter from the landowners telling me that they have posted their property as NO HUNTING...except me. They stated that if I wish to hunt there, I am more than welcome to use their property.





The moral of this story is... Politely ask permission to hunt on people's property. When possible, give them some token of appreciation for their hospitality (a pie baked with the berries you picked, or some smoked fish from the pond you fished out of, or some deer steaks, or a simple box of candy or other momento). It's not about the value of the gift. It's all about the fact that you aknowledge that they are the rightful taxpaying owners of the land and they are being gracious in allowing you to use their property to hunt on. End of lesson.

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